What we can learn from Crocus City Hall, even if it's too early now ... Part 9

Part 1 https://t.me/RussiaJustice/122

So again:
https://t.me/RussiaJustice/133

a) PLEASE LESS BULLSHIT ABOUT BREIVIK! BREVIK KILLED MORE THAN 77 PEOPLE!
https://t.me/BreivikFacts/7

b) Plus IS NOT A LIFE SENTENCE!
https://t.me/BreivikDeathSentence/45
https://t.me/PrisonFacts/816

and this fake life sentence is JUST A WASTE OF MONEY WITH TONS OF NO SENSE COURT SESSIONS!
https://t.me/BreivikParole

c) Plus what is this bullshit of having access to internet? If he had access to internet, he would not complain about letters!
https://t.me/BreivikParole/95

d) Injured people are much more too!

What we need to learn from Crocus City Hall?a) don't believe Europe propaganda based on bullshit!
https://t.me/RussiaJustice/122
https://t.me/DeathPenaltyMafia
https://t.me/AmnestyFacts
https://t.me/addlist/mhZg0973N14wMjMx

so don't believe every bullshit by Amnesty, Carolyn Hoyle, UN, John Bessler
https://t.me/CarolynHoyle
https://t.me/JohnBessler

b) mutilation is A NO GO!
https://t.me/RussiaJustice/100
and using force to hide governments failure is not ok at all!

c) sentences should be done with MUCH MORE NEUTRALITY!
https://t.me/RussiaJustice/20
https://t.me/RussiaJustice/39
and correct @DeathExecutionMethod

No matter if related to death penalty, life sentence or whatever!

d) no one is saying we need to implement death penalty for terrorism (especially related to ☪️!).
https://t.me/RussiaJustice/29
https://t.me/RussiaJustice/39

e) homicide is not synonym of death penalty!
https://t.me/RussiaJustice/129

f) don't forget other crimes and all other tabu topics behind that! like human rights related to prisoners or whatever! Is much more complex than "death penalty"!
https://t.me/AmnestyPropaganda/94

g) what do you mean with torture? It's a much more complex topic than death penalty!
https://t.me/RussiaJustice/41
to
https://t.me/RussiaJustice/100

h) stats are shit!
https://t.me/RussiaJustice/131

i) never forget ethical dilemma

What we can learn from Crocus City Hall, even if it's too early now ... Part 8

Part 1 https://t.me/RussiaJustice/122

So the real ethical dilemma question is "is more worse a innocent sentenced to death or 30 innocent killed by no death penalty for example???" Is 1 over 30 more important??!

YES; it's an ethical dilemma! Don't consider just "the poor 1" if you ignore "the poor 30!"
https://t.me/AmnestyOneToOne/68
https://t.me/AmnestyOneToOne/69

Plus don't think that just because the prisoner is getting life sentence, he lives better than with a death penalty!
https://t.me/MahsaAminiTelegram/149

При отсутствии смертной казни в уголовном законе страны все меры наказания как бы автоматически «понижаются», а судьи выносят более мягкие приговоры.

In the absence of the death penalty in the country’s criminal law, all penalties are automatically “lowered,” and judges hand down more lenient sentences.

BULLSHIT! France has no death penalty and still believe in life sentence for many crimes!https://t.me/DeathPenaltyOneToOne/192

Perfect ... let we keep 1.5 years of prison for rape!
https://t.me/LawsTelegram/49

Why not removing prison at all? Would be much easier! Let we keep all "innocents"

Plus exactly what? How can you reduce sentences for animals crimes, if such things ARE ALREADY RIDICOULUS LOW!
https://t.me/MissionPlaneta/59

Так, террорист Брейвик, организатор и исполнитель взрыва в 2011 г. в центре Осло и нападения на молодежный лагерь, в результате чего 77 человек погибли и 151 ранены, отбывает пожизненное заключение в трехкомнатной одиночной камере и имеет доступ в интернет и спортзал.

Thus, the terrorist Breivik, the organizer and perpetrator of the 2011 bombing in the center of Oslo and the attack on a youth camp, as a result of which 77 people were killed and 151 injured, is serving a life sentence in a three-room solitary confinement cell and has access to the Internet and a gym.

PLEASE LESS BULLSHIT ABOUT BREIVIK! BREVIK KILLED MORE THAN 77 PEOPLE!
https://t.me/BreivikFacts/7

What we can learn from Crocus City Hall, even if it's too early now ... Part 7

Part 1 https://t.me/RussiaJustice/122

b)
https://t.me/RussiaJustice/131
so crimes change everywhere no matter if we have or not a death penalty! PLUS DON'T CHECK JUST CRIMES RELATED TO HOMICIDES! why you ignore rape crimes???! Why you ignore other type of crimes? Why you ignore crimes done to animals???! Consider all crimes, not just this shit of homicides!

Homicides IS NOT synonym of death penalty! Again ...
https://t.me/RussiaJustice/129
https://t.me/RussiaJustice/130

Would be time we go AWAY from this obsessions for homicides!

RAPE IS 100000x WORST THAN HOMICIDES! Let put this in your brain once at all! Homicide = the dude is death = no trauma at all for the dude! Only trauma for families, but this happens with all type of crimes!
https://t.me/DeathPenaltyOneToOne/151

c) “If you kill a murderer, the number of murderers will not change.” what is this shit??! and what about the number of victims???! what about the number of people doing suicide due to this criminal??? what about the number of people getting injured by another crime from this dude!!!

Plus if you kill a murder, the number of murder WILL CHANGE! because the number of murders continue to increase! no matter what happens to this dude!

Факт присутствия в любой – даже в самой совершенной – судебной системе возможности судебной ошибки при наличии смертной казни означает перспективу лишения жизни невиновного человека, делает эту меру наказания неприемлемой.

The fact that in any - even the most perfect - judicial system the possibility of a miscarriage of justice in the presence of the death penalty means the prospect of depriving the life of an innocent person and makes this measure of punishment unacceptable.

We already talked about that!
https://t.me/DeathPenaltyOneToOne/167
https://t.me/DeathPenaltyOneToOne/355

Plus the real ethical dilemma question is "is more worse a innocent sentenced to death or 30 innocent killed by no death penalty for example???

What we can learn from Crocus City Hall, even if it's too early now ... Part 5

Part 1 https://t.me/RussiaJustice/122

1988‒2002 UN study ...

Well this is bullshit and we already talked about before!
https://t.me/AmnestyOneToOne/97
to
https://t.me/AmnestyOneToOne/104

Not only this contains GOOD INFORMATIONS IGNORED BY AMNESTY, but even bullshit facts by Carolyn Hoyle
https://t.me/CarolynHoyle/92

So this is the best example HOW AMNESTY IS JUST PROMOTING BULLSHIT WORLDWIDE! even in Russia! They just check the shit they want and SKIP ALL OTHER INFORMATIONS! Obviously they don't verify anything! WE CLEARLY STAND AGAINST AMNESTY BULLSHIT! and it's time to stop this crime of bullshit to governments and UN!
https://t.me/AmnestyFacts
https://t.me/addlist/mhZg0973N14wMjMx

Until Amnesty start to share real facts, they have NO RIGHT anymore to promote bullshit!
https://t.me/LawsTelegram/133
https://t.me/LawsTelegram/143

Plus let we remember IS NOT JUST ABOUT REDUCING NEW CRIMES BY NEW PERSON! but even reducing new crimes by the same criminals!
https://t.me/AnimalAbuseDeathSentence/43
https://t.me/RussiaJustice/34

При исследовании статистики преступности давно установлено, что количество убийств и иных тяжких преступлений в любой стране на протяжении длительного времени остается приблизительно одинаковым, иногда даже снижается, несмотря на наличие или отсутствие в ней смертной казни. Как говорил Уинстон Черчилль, «если убить убийцу, число убийц не изменится».

When studying crime statistics, it has long been established that the number of murders and other serious crimes in any country remains approximately the same for a long time, sometimes even decreasing, despite the presence or absence of the death penalty in it. As Winston Churchill said, “If you kill a murderer, the number of murderers will not change.”

a) stats are SHIT!
https://t.me/RecidivismFacts/183
to
https://t.me/RecidivismFacts/203

b) crimes are not related to death penalty! and there is no way to show that with science at all!

What we can learn from Crocus City Hall, even if it's too early now ... Part 5

Part 1 https://t.me/RussiaJustice/122

So again we DON'T SUPPORT this idea that if someone kill someone he get 30 years for example, if someone is causing disability to another there is 0 years prison!
https://t.me/CrimeExamples/45

It's time to stop this shit! If you do racial terrorism and you fail, like the ?? terrorist, YOU DESERVE THE SAME SENTENCE LIKE BREIVIK (but without shitty ?? laws!)
https://t.me/BreivikDeathSentence

Но и оно нивелируется наличием наказания в виде пожизненного заключения.

But it is also offset by the presence of a punishment in the form of life imprisonment.

Like said we support both death penalty OR life sentence + assisted suicide option after 10-20 years!but let we remember that if we talk about life sentence! we need to respect human rights of homeless too! So we cannot give priority to criminals over homeless, by saying death penalty is cruel, while you GIVE A SHIT TO HOMELESS AT ALL!
https://t.me/DeathPenaltyCruel
https://t.me/AmnestyOneToOne/74

So again, everyone can do what they want, but NEVER FORGET POOR PEOPLE! no matter if you do life or death penalty! If you do life sentence, this is much worse! because you give a shit per default and you give a shit another time doing life sentence!
https://t.me/EthicalDilemmaHumanRights/137

and let we remember that putting innocent in prison is the same!
https://t.me/ShittyDeathSentences/178

Может ли смертная казнь помочь в борьбе с преступностью? В 1988‒2002 гг. под эгидой ООН проводилось исследование, которое показало, что никаких доказательств того, что угроза смертной казни имеет сдерживающий эффект для потенциальных преступников или больший эффект, чем пожизненное заключение, нет.

Can the death penalty help fight crime? In 1988‒2002 A UN-sponsored study found that there was no evidence that the threat of the death penalty has a deterrent effect on potential criminals or any greater effect than life imprisonment.

BULLSHIT see next post

What we can learn from Crocus City Hall, even if it's too early now ... Part 4

Part 1 https://t.me/RussiaJustice/122

c) so death penalty doesn't directly REMOVE a crime! we already said that with Breivik too!
https://t.me/AndersBehringBreivikTelegram/768

and this is why we apply the restriction of human rights!
https://t.me/RussiaJustice/70
TO PREVENT POSSIBLE CRIMES! No one know if such dude will redo or not the crime! but the risk is too high to give them a parole!
https://t.me/RussiaJustice/10

and let we remember the crime is NOT just doing the same crime, but even for example KILLING PEOPLE during the escape or other things!

Допуская смертную казнь даже в виде исключительной меры наказания, надо понимать, что область ее применения всегда и везде имеет тенденцию к расширению https://perma.cc/KS56-RGMH

By allowing the death penalty even as an exceptional measure of punishment, one must understand that the scope of its application always and everywhere tends to expand.

Sorry but NOPE! if you implement a death penalty for mass killing (for example over 5 people) you don't use that for people that kill 4 people! or rape 5 girls and all 5 girls do suicides! Yes, the dude killed 5 girls, but is NOT mass killing! This is death penalty to rape! so another thing!

Собственно, единственное основание, по которому многие люди считают необходимым использование смертной казни, ‒ это возмездие за наиболее жестокие преступления, в частности за убийство.

In fact, the only reason why many people consider it necessary to use the death penalty is retribution for the most brutal crimes, in particular murder.

?‍♂️ you can kill 0 people and you would get a death penalty for terrorism or hate crimes! IS NOT BASED ON MURDER AT ALL!
https://t.me/DeathSentenceFAQ/293
https://t.me/CrimeExamples/118

Crocus City Hall with 0 deaths because they failed the terror attack? Same death penalty!
https://t.me/RussiaJustice/80

Homicides is the best example WHY WE DON'T NEED TO IMPLEMENT DEATH PENALTY FOR ALL CRIMES!

Part 1 https://t.me/BreivikDeathSentence/49

A summary of the last 8 posts https://t.me/BreivikDeathSentence/65

Now in few words:

?‍♂️ animal torture / cruelty ?‍♂️ death penalty to animals done by humans ?‍♂️ train suicide and similar things ?‍♂️ priority of humans over animals ?‍♂️ euthanasia abuse to animals due to ignorance ?‍♂️ VIP suicide ?‍♂️ indifference for other people rights ?‍♂️@ShittyDeathSentences @ShittyDeathExecutions ?‍♂️ @KeepEyesClosed ?‍♂️ @AmnestyPropaganda https://t.me/addlist/mhZg0973N14wMjMx ?‍♂️ @IgnorancePeople ?‍♂️ @PrisonBreakFacts ?‍♂️ @ParoleFacts @BreivikParole ?‍♂️ @HumanRightAbuse ?‍♂️ @DiscriminationTelegram ?‍♂️ @JobDiscrimination ?‍♂️ @EuropeAbuse ?‍♂️ missing empathy = @AspergerSyndromeTelegram @EmpathyTelegram ?‍♂️ bullshits in general!!! without science! and multiple perspective
?*? https://t.me/addlist/Sk-TekVpJhw2MzIx
?? (2) https://t.me/addlist/gLPMUCb5s6IwNTMx
?? https://t.me/addlist/pL2yDj4ErKNjNjBh
?? https://t.me/addlist/mhZg0973N14wMjMx

✅ Not Today Not Tomorrow
https://t.me/NotTodayTelegram
https://t.me/LawsTelegram/123

✅ abortion ✅ @StopDieWelle ✅ @EthicalDilemmaHumanRights ✅ new human rights definition based on amount / deep of crimes ✅ @LearnWithNorway = no doing again the exact same errors like in the past!!!! @HanauBreivik ✅ @NoBreivikMania ✅ @BreivikDeathSentence @DeathSentenceFAQ @AnimalAbuseDeathSentence @DeathSentenceNOW ✅ @LawsTelegram @HumanRightsChecklist @MissionPlaneta @WeAreTheFutureTelegram ✅ more rights for animals ✅ life sentences, if death penalties will never be a reality! (WITHOUT PAROLE) ✅ better future based on science / facts and not bullshit ✅ legal suicide instead! = less trauma for families / victims and all people watching such things! ✅ die with dignity and this means

✅ letal dosis for ☑️ legal assisted suicide! and ☑️ death penalty! ?‍♂️ letal dosis crimes by ??!
https://t.me/DeathPenaltyInhumane/56

• https://t.me/EthicalDilemmaHumanRights/154
  to
  https://t.me/EthicalDilemmaHumanRights/157

Behind the death penalty Part 8

Part 1 https://t.me/BreivikDeathSentence/49

Selv om loven er endret slik at man i dag kan dømmes for terror til forvaring med en tidsramme på 30 år og en minstetid på 20 år, kan ikke dommen til Breivik endres. Dette er fordi lover ikke gis tilbakevirkende kraft i Norge https://perma.cc/U5GA-NG7D

Although the law has been changed so that today one can be sentenced for terrorism to detention with a time frame of 30 years and a minimum term of 20 years, Breivik's sentence cannot be changed. This is because laws are not given retroactive effect in Norway.? with ?? quality!!! ?‍♂️ cannot be change UNTIL WE START TO CHANGE LAWS ONCE AT ALL!
https://t.me/LawsTelegram/41
and stop doing errors over errors!
https://t.me/NorwayErrors
https://t.me/LearnWithNorway
https://t.me/HanauBreivik

Forsinket oppgradering av datasystemer i politiet og domstolsapparatet gjør at terrorsiktede Anders Behring Breivik ikke kan dømmes etter den nye terrorparagrafen med maksimalstraff på 30 år, skriver Adresseavisen tirsdag.

Delayed upgrading of computer systems in the police and the court apparatus means that terrorist accused Anders Behring Breivik cannot be sentenced under the new terror clause with a maximum sentence of 30 years, writes Adresseavisen on Tuesday ?‍♂️ obviously, because this is ??!!! errors over errors!!!

So now let we summarise all previous posts:

a) we started from the John Bessler bullshit
https://t.me/JohnBessler/142
and we agree it make no sense to apply a death sentence in one case, ignoring that for other ..
https://t.me/EthicalDilemmaHumanRights/145
https://t.me/EthicalDilemmaHumanRights/147

b) we talked about animal, suicide, abortion and how people forget such cruelty / tortureshttps://t.me/JohnBessler/153
https://t.me/JohnBessler/154
https://t.me/JohnBessler/155

c) about Europe mafia!
https://t.me/EuropeFacts/70

d) homicide != homicidehttps://t.me/JohnBessler/156
https://t.me/DeathSentenceFAQ/129

e) about other Norway errors ...
https://t.me/NorwayErrors

Behind the death penalty Part 7

Part 1 https://t.me/BreivikDeathSentence/49

Two years ago (= 2009), the Storting decided that the maximum sentence for terrorism should be 30 years. The Ministry of Justice does not yet know when the new law may enter into force https://perma.cc/TT2X-9X2U
https://t.me/BreivikDeathSentence/4

I proposisjonen Stortinget fikk sto det at dette ville ta tid og at implementeringen av den nye straffeloven var ventet å kunne skje 1. januar 2012. Det er som kjent ikke ennå, sier statssekretær Terje Moland Pedersen (Ap) i Justisdepartementet til Nettavisen.

In the proposal the Storting received, it was stated that this would take time and that the implementation of the new penal code was expected to take place on 1 January 2012. As is known, that is not yet, says State Secretary Terje Moland Pedersen (Ap) in the Ministry of Justice to Nettavisen.
https://t.me/BreivikDeathSentence/12

Det var Adresseavisen som tirsdag skrev at datarot gjør at terrorsiktede Anders Behring Breivik - med 77 liv på samvittigheten - bare kan dømmes etter den gamle terrorparagrafen med maksimal fengselsstraff på 21 år, ikke den nye Stortinget vedtok i 2009. Den gangen vedtok lovgiverne å øke maksimalstraffen til 30 år.

It was Adresseavisen that wrote on Tuesday that a computer mess means that terrorist accused Anders Behring Breivik - with 77 lives on his conscience - can only be sentenced under the old terror clause with a maximum prison sentence of 21 years, not the new one adopted by the Storting in 2009. At that time, the legislators decided to increase the maximum sentence to 30 years.
https://t.me/NorwayErrors

Heving av tidsrammen til 30 år ble gjort fordi maksimalstraffen for terror i Norge og flere andre europeiske land er 30 år. På den måten gir man signaler om at Norge ikke er et «safe haven» for terrorister med lavere straffenivå enn andre land.

Raising the time frame to 30 years was done because the maximum sentence for terrorism in Norway and several other European countries is 30 years.